Madness and creativity: do we need to be crazy?



The idea of the mad artist is supported to some extent by research, and the experiences of mental illness for many creative people. What do psychologists say?

Here is a video on the topic: “Connecting strength and vulnerability of the creative brain” – PBS, July 25, 2014.

“Why have so many creative minds suffered from mental illness? Nancy Andreasen, Andrew H. Woods Chair of Psychiatry at the University of Iowa, has devoted decades of study to the physical differences in the brains of writers and other highly accomplished individuals.”

Related article: Secrets of the Creative Brain by Nancy Andreasen, Atlantic Magazine.

Kurt Vonnegut“As a psychiatrist and neuroscientist who studies creativity, I’ve had the pleasure of working with many gifted and high-profile subjects over the years, but Kurt Vonnegut — dear, funny, eccentric, lovable, tormented Kurt Vonnegut — will always be one of my favorites.”

She adds, “His son, Mark, was originally diagnosed with schizophrenia but may actually have bipolar disorder.

“(Mark, who is a practicing physician, recounts his experiences in two books, The Eden Express and Just Like Someone Without Mental Illness Only More So, in which he reveals that many family members struggled with psychiatric problems. “My mother, my cousins, and my sisters weren’t doing so great,” he writes. “We had eating disorders, co-dependency, outstanding warrants, drug and alcohol problems, dating and employment problems, and other ‘issues.’”)

“While mental illness clearly runs in the Vonnegut family, so, I found, does creativity…”

She refers to an earlier research project:

“For many of my subjects from that first study — all writers associated with the Iowa Writers’ Workshop — mental illness and creativity went hand in hand. This link is not surprising.

“The archetype of the mad genius dates back to at least classical times, when Aristotle noted, ‘Those who have been eminent in philosophy, politics, poetry, and the arts have all had tendencies toward melancholia.’

“This pattern is a recurring theme in Shakespeare’s plays, such as when Theseus, in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, observes, ‘The lunatic, the lover, and the poet / Are of imagination all compact.’ John Dryden made a similar point in a heroic couplet: ‘Great wits are sure to madness near allied, / And thin partitions do their bounds divide.’

“Compared with many of history’s creative luminaries, Vonnegut, who died of natural causes, got off relatively easy. Among those who ended up losing their battles with mental illness through suicide are Virginia Woolf, Ernest Hemingway, Vincent van Gogh, John Berryman, Hart Crane, Mark Rothko, Diane Arbus, Anne Sexton, and Arshile Gorky.”

[Photo from article Kurt Vonnegut on Reading, Boredom, Belonging, and Hate, by Maria Popova, Brain Pickings.]

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Just Like Someone Without Mental Illness Only More So: A MemoirJust Like Someone Without Mental Illness Only More So: A Memoir - Mark Vonnegut MD.

“As a kid who wrote a little and painted a little and played a little music, I certainly didn’t want my mental health riding on anything as flimsy as my creative abilities but, among other things, I’ve come to see that a willingness to write, paint and play music is more than a little important to progress and just trying to keep my feet under me.”

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Video from World Science Festival: ‘Genius’ Dark Cousin‘ – “When talking about geniuses, the conversation inevitably strays towards topics of eccentricity, or even madness. One needs only to look at the lives of artists such as Vincent Van Gogh and Mark Rothko, or to mathematician John Nash — whose battle with paranoid schizophrenia was made famous in the film A Beautiful Mind — as examples of the thin line between brilliance and insanity.

“But is there really anything to this idea of the “tortured genius”? Or is it just a romanticized notion exaggerated by film and literature? Philip Glass and Julie Taymor respond to striking data presented by Dean Keith Simonton, a psychologist who has studied the nature of genius for decades.”

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Here is a brief video interview with Shelley Carson, Ph.D. of Harvard University, who teaches and conducts research on creativity, psychopathology, and resilience.

Also listen to my podcast interview: Shelley Carson on enhancing our creative brain

Her book: Your Creative Brain: Seven Steps to Maximize Imagination, Productivity, and Innovation in Your Life.

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But how valid is the research, and do these notions imply we are more likely to be creative if we have mental health challenges, if we’re unusually neurotic or a bit crazy?

Director Tim Burton may be acclaimed for his many films, including “Alice in Wonderland,” but has also been called ‘crazy’ (at least in part for his appearance) or at least ‘eccentric’ – perhaps a polite cover label for ‘mad.’

He has even exploited that sort of reaction, he says:

“If you want people to leave you alone then appearing to be crazy is a good thing. If you’re walking down the street talking to yourself people tend to give you a wide berth! But I’ve always been blessed with being easily ignored or avoided. I think maybe it’s because people think I look a little crazy.”

He added, “I have always been an outsider. As a kid I identified with the monsters in the old horror films, like the ‘Creature from the Blue Lagoon’ and ‘Frankenstein’.” [From post 'Crazy' Tim Burton, emusic.tv]

Photo from post Tim Burton on nurturing his unique creative vision

The Mad Hatter [played by Johnny Depp in Tim Burton's version of Alice In Wonderland]: “Have I gone mad?”

Alice Kingsley [Mia Wasikowska; she checks Hatter's temperature]: “I’m afraid so. You’re entirely bonkers. But I’ll tell you a secret. All the best people are.”

The Mad Hatter: “There is a place. Like no place on Earth. A land full of wonder, mystery, and danger! Some say to survive it: You need to be as mad as a hatter. [picks up his hat] Which luckily I am.”

Psychosis

Cognitive psychologist Scott Barry Kaufman, Ph.D., addresses this topic in a post of his.

“I do believe that If the mental processes associated with psychosis were evaporated entirely from this world, art would suck. But so would a lot of other things that require imagination.”

Scott Barry KaufmanHe notes that psychosis is on a continuum:

“Too much psychosis and one is at high risk of going mad. But everyone engages in psychosis-related thought any time they use their imagination. This type of thought activates particular regions of the brain and is especially prominent while day-dreaming and night-dreaming.”

He thinks that without the “ability to transcend immediate reality, art would lose its creativity. Far from insulting artists, I think it makes us appreciate artists even more, and their ability to show us worlds that many not exist yet, but are possible.”

He asks, “So is extreme, debilitating psychosis a prerequisite for art? Absolutely not. Severe mental illness is nothing to take lightly, and can make it very difficult to produce art.”

In a response to a comment, he explains further: “I do not think a ‘psychotic episode’ is necessary for art, but mental processes such as a reduced latent inhibition can be very useful for art. The continuum aspect is key. Extreme psychosis can lead to a psychotic episode, completely detached from reality.

“That isn’t very adaptive. But there is a sweet spot in which you still use your imagination but have a healthy foot in reality. That sweet spot is one which is heavily conducive to flow, a state that many artists (and other creative people) seek.”

From his post Is Psychosis a Prerequisite for Art?

In his book Ungifted: Intelligence Redefined, Kaufman writes about many topics related to creative people, and describes the painful and disruptive consequences of having been labeled as learning disabled when he was a child.

His experience was the result of several ear infections that had impeded his hearing, resulting in a central auditory processing disorder that interfered with his understanding of speech.

The book “Misdiagnosis And Dual Diagnoses of Gifted Children and Adults” by James T. Webb and others, affirms that “Many of our brightest, most creative, most independent thinking children and adults are being incorrectly diagnosed as having behavioral, emotional, or mental disorders.”

Read more in post: Pathologizing and Stigmatizing: The Misdiagnosis of Gifted People.

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Madness

“Men have called me mad; but the question is not yet settled, whether madness is or is not the loftiest intelligence.” Edgar Allan Poe

That quote comes from my post Our continuing fascination with creativity and madness which links to the article Creativity, the Arts, and Madness, by Maureen Neihart, Psy.D., who writes:

“The notion that  inspiration requires  regression and dipping into irrationality in order to access unconscious symbols and thought has been popular across disciplines for hundreds of years. Plato said that creativity is a “divine madness…a gift from the gods”.

She adds a quote attributed to Aristotle: “No great genius was without a mixture of insanity.”

But is that really true?

One consequence of accepting this sort of mythology is you may think you have to be ‘crazier’ than you are in order to be a ‘real artist.’

Or, that you should suffer with depression or other mental health challenges, rather than treat them and ‘lose your creative edge.’

Nonsense.

StingAs musician Sting comments, “Do I have to be in pain to write? I thought so, as most of my contemporaries did; you had to be the struggling artist, the tortured, painful, poetic wreck.

“I tried that for a while, and to a certain extent that was successful. I was ‘The King of Pain’ after all.

“I only know that people who are getting into this archetype of the tortured poet end up really torturing themselves to death.”

From post Pain and suffering and developing creativity

Pathology and creative ability

In his PowerPoint presentation Creativity and Psychopathology [html] [PPT] creativity researcher Dean Keith Simonton, PhD notes, “Few creative individuals can be considered truly mentally ill. Indeed, outright disorder usually inhibits rather than helps creative expression. Furthermore, a large proportion of creators exhibit no symptoms, at least not to any measurable degree.”

But he also notes that “because some psychopathological symptoms correlate with several of the characteristics making up the creativity cluster, moderate amounts of these symptoms will be positively associated with creative behavior.”

He explains further that “psychopathology is not the only possible source for the creativity cluster. The environment can also nurture creative development. Although some of these developmental influences are also associated with psychopathology, others are not.”

He concludes, “Psychopathology and creativity are closely related, sharing many traits and antecedents, but they are not identical, and outright psychopathology is negatively associated with creativity.

“This fits what Dryden said about the ‘thin partition’ separating ‘great wits’ and ‘madness.’ Or, as the highly creative but not truly crazy Surrealist painter Salvador Dali once expressed the distinction: ‘The only difference between me and a madman is that I’m not mad.’”

One of Dean Keith Simonton’s books is Origins of Genius: Darwinian Perspectives on Creativity

Crazy is hard-wired. Oh, really?

In her article The Continuing Adventures of the Mad Musician and the Bipolar Genius, Dr. Judith Schlesinger covered a lot about this topic, and writes:

“Great talent always comes at a great price. To be a genius means to suffer—if not the chronic paralysis of depression, then surely the emotional whiplash of bipolar disorder. The exquisite sensitivity of creative artists is hard-wired with their pathology; moreover, their willingness to brave the treacherous rapids of the unconscious for inspiration makes them even more vulnerable to psychotic collapse.

“This is the heart of the ‘mad genius’ myth that has been integral to Western culture for centuries.

“It is also hogwash. The fact is that, despite the efforts of numerous investigators and decades of confident pronouncements by a few, there’s still no concrete, empirical proof that highly creative people are any more likely to be mood-disordered than any other group.”

I don’t agree with her opinion of “no empirical evidence” but in her article, she does raise some important criticisms of research, such as that of leading authors like psychiatrist Kay Redfield Jamison, whom I have quoted a number of times over the years.

Here is another quote from her article:

“A careful look at the so-called “landmark” studies in the field—the work by psychiatrists Nancy Andreasen and Arnold Ludwig, and psychologist Kay Redfield Jamison—reveals gaping holes in their design, methodologies, and conclusions.”

Judith Schlesinger, PhD notes she is a “psychologist, author, educator, jazz critic, and musician…” on the site of her book The Insanity Hoax: Exposing the Myth of the Mad Genius.

In the articles linked above, and below, there are many examples of studies linking depression, neuroticism, even psychotic cognition such as in schizophrenia, with creative people.

But linking isn’t causality – being “crazy” does not make you creative.

If you experience disruptive symptoms, it may mean you should get help, or help yourself, to gain better emotional health so you can be even more productive and creative.

My list of articles and programs may be helpful:

Emotional Health Resources

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Related posts and articles:

Creativity, the Arts, and Madness, By Maureen Neihart, Psy.D.

Creativity and madness: The Abnormal Psychology of Creativity

Our continuing fascination with creativity and madness

Creativity and madness: High ability and schizophrenia

On creativity and intelligence, By Dean Keith Simonton, PhD

Highly sensitive people: latent inhibition and creativity – Reduced latent inhibition has been associated with schizophrenia, and creativity.

Pain and suffering and developing creativity
“Suffering is justified as soon as it becomes the raw material of beauty.” Jean-Paul Sartre
Cheryl Arutt, Psy.D., a psychologist specializing in creative artist issues, says “Many creative people carry the belief that their pain is the locus of their creativity, and worry that they will lose their creativity if they work through their inner conflicts or let go of suffering…”

> Also see her article: Affect Regulation and the Creative Artist.

What Neuroscience Says About The Link Between Creativity And Madness, Fast Company magazine. “Behavioral and brain researchers have found a number of strong if indirect ties between an original mind and a troubled one (many summarized in a recent post by psychologist Scott Barry Kaufman at his Scientific American blog).

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Originally posted 2011-08-10 13:05:04.

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  12. Noch Noch says:

    its funny, i am most creative when i’m in the worst of moods. the words just tumble out of me furiously. a lot of great writers are a bit “looney” too, no? :)
    but i think if i can channel my “madness” to creative, then i won’t be so mad…
    Noch Noch

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  16. Ana Erika Camargo Cruz says:

    Would not be “balance” the key?
    Supposing that it is true that being creative lead to madness, we still can pursue being creative without reach that last stage, remaining healthy and happy.

    Selley Carson mentioned Maslow’s theory suggesting that being creative is a need for being a self-actualized person (happy), but then we should remember the rest of Maslow’s theory, which considers a “hierarchy” of needs to be fulfilled before reaching self-actualization or pure elation; and looking at this hierarchy of needs, before the need of being creative there is “safety” and “health”.

  17. Daniel Go says:

    @ Paulo, I have read selections and articles regarding neuroticism. they’re were new findings in it too. I hope you can read about it too. These articles are very interesting. It digs out the neurotic in every aspect of yourself, and lets you see that you are totally different.

    Daniel Go
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  18. Daniel Go says:

    I totally agree with Paulo.
    We’re all neurotics in our own little way. :)
    And this makes life much more exciting, all normalities are not exceptional, therefore they’re boring. :)

    Cheers,
    Daniel

  19. Paul says:

    “In the articles linked above, and below, there are many examples of studies linking depression, neuroticism, even psychotic cognition with creative people.”

    This doesn’t surprise me at all. And I think sometimes all of these labels are unnecessary and damaging to people. Most people are “normal” in their own way, and there are almost always others out there that feel the same way we do and do things like we do.

    We’re all a little neurotic in our own way. ;)

    Paul
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