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Paula
Caplan
interview
by Douglas Eby
Paula J. Caplan,
Ph.D. is
a Visiting Scholar at the Pembroke Center for Women, Brown University,
Providence, RI. Previously she was full professor of psychology,
assistant
professor of psychiatry, and lecturer in Womens Studies at the
University
of Toronto, and was chosen by the American Psychological Association as
an "eminent woman psychologist".
She is the author
of "The
Myth of Women's Masochism" and "Don't Blame Mother", plus a number of
other
books. A clinical and research psychologist, she was formerly a
consultant
to those who construct the DSM - the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of Mental Disorders.
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Being
exceptional
may include significant social challenges and reactions.
"It's
hard enough
to be gifted and creative in North America, where (unlike in Europe) if
you're anything other than the typical person, it's inexcusable," Dr.
Caplan
notes.
"Unforgivable
in some ways. You can't be considered eccentric. Being creative is
considered
no big deal, and artists just aren't respected in the same way here as
they are in some other parts of the world, nor are particularly
intelligent
people; it's a threat.
"One
possible
explanation is that in a country founded on individual freedom, and
where
all of us are supposedly created equal - well, what if it turns out
some
people are smarter than the others? Does that mean they're going to get
more land, more chance to pursue happiness than the rest of us?
"So
this idea
is threatening. And more so for women, because, first of all, women
aren't
supposed to be smart enough to be threatening to a lot of men and to
other
women, and secondly, one of the myths is that a woman can be competent
or smart, or she can be nurturant - but she can't be both.
"So
if you find
some woman who's a genius, or is gifted, people automatically assume
that
she's going to be a bitch, or that she's going to be deficient. It's
like
a zero-sum game within that person: the more intelligence she has, the
less humanity and warmth."
She
notes that
"because high intelligence has been associated so much with men, and
because
the traditional male role in the United States has been to be detached
and objective and cerebral, the idea of a woman being that way is
really
unspeakable, it makes her not 'womanly', not 'feminine'.
"The
U.S. along
with Canada has the same model they have in Europe, that a creative
person
- usually male - is some sort of mad, tormented artist, suffering all
the
time. And people don't want to hear about women's suffering, they don't
want women to be anguished.
"There's
a wonderful
book called 'Reflecting Men at Twice Their Natural Size' - a marvelous
title - and one of the things in it is they asked women, when they went
into work, to try an experiment and just don't smile; don't be mean or
rigid, just don't smile. The women who did this were such targets of
hostility.
"Guys
would
walk by and say, 'Well what's wrong with you?' So, women are supposed
to
be cheerleaders, right? We do not have room in this culture for a woman
to be what's considered self-indulgent, that is, to take the time away
from being supportive of other people to indulge in doing whatever she
can with her own gifts and creativity.
"Those
are the
reasons that we then have to say nasty things about women who are
gifted
and creative, and one way to say a very nasty and dangerous thing is to
say they're mentally ill."
She
acknowledges
there are "a lot of people who have a lot of anguish, and there are
some
people who are dangerous to other people or themselves" but says, "I
just
don't find the term 'mental illness' particularly useful.
"When
I was
writing the book, I had thought I would make it clear that I wasn't
going
to go so far as to claim that there's no such thing as mental
disorders,
because I thought there must be, although the definitions aren't really
good."
Dr.
Caplan says
that as she was writing about this, the newest issue of American
Psychologist
arrived, "and in it was an article by one of the world's experts on
schizophrenia
research, and he said that everyone presumes that schizophrenia has
been
proven to exist, that we know what it is, that we know it is
genetically
and biochemically caused, because of the studies on twins, and the
contents
of schizophrenics' urine and all that.
But,
she cautions,
"Actually, if you really read the research, you know it's terrible, and
we don't really know much about what we're calling schizophrenia. And
unfortunately
we can say it's still a wastebasket term.
"What
matters
here is that the American Psychiatric Association, that produces the
manual
of mental disorders that everyone uses, the DSM, markets it as science,
even though it isn't.
"My
own experiences
with the DSM committee, and my own research prove that. There are
things
in there that have even been proven not to exist. And when they were
writing
the DSM and trying to come up with a definition of 'mental disorder',
they
are on record as saying, basically, they had a heck of a time.
"And
if you
read the definition they used, there are loopholes you can drive a
truck
through. So I don't think we can just blindly say, yes, there are
things
called mental disorders."
Again,
she notes
there are some individuals "who are out of touch with what most people
would consider reality, like if you think your child 'has the devil in
him' and that sort of thing."
But,
she concurs
that a number of people, including mental health professionals, treat
some
of the characteristics of many gifted or creative people as signs of
mental
disorder.
"I
can tell
you about one of the most creative and gifted women I've ever known,
who
came to me for psychotherapy," Dr. Caplan recalls. "She was telling me
things like her boyfriend wasn't being nice to her, had been terrible -
and she had been taught never to get angry.
"This
woman
was a poet, musician and just a brilliant scholar. She told me she had
been walking down the street one day and suddenly saw blood dripping
down,
about three inches in front of her face, in the air.
"And
I thought,
'I'm so glad she's seeing me and not somebody who's going to put her on
antipsychotic medication' - because it was so clear to me that this was
a very powerful representation of the anger she was feeling, that she's
never supposed to express, because she's supposed to be a 'nice
girl'.
"It
would have
been easy to pathologize her. Actually she'd been told she was manic
depressive.
And often she would be very depressed, but it was always because of
something
that would make anyone depressed.
"At
one point,
she was telling me about something that had deeply affected her, and I
said, 'I understand your responding that way, because you're a very
sensitive
person' - well, she burst into tears, huge sobs, and said 'I know I'm
overly
sensitive' and I replied, 'That's not what I said; I said you're
sensitive,
and that was a descriptive term, not a pejorative one; if anything, it
was an appreciative term.'"
About
a week
ago, the New York Times had an article on Zelda Fitzgerald, Dr. Caplan
notes, in which Peter Kramer, who wrote "Listening to Prozac", wrote an
introduction to letters that F. Scott Fitzgerald had sent to his wife's
psychiatrist when she was hospitalized. Kramer asserts Zelda had a
mental
disorder, probably manic depression.
"But
even if
you didn't know anything about the Fitzgeralds," Caplan explains, "if
you
read the letters, they are infantilizing and patronizing and
contemptuous
about her writing. Fitzgerald was saying things like 'Zelda thinks she
can write, and what she does is take things I've written and claim she
wrote them.' Now, scholarship has well established that it is the exact
opposite: he used to steal stuff that she wrote, and pass it off as his
own.
"I
just emailed
a letter to the editor of the Times, saying how disturbing Peter
Kramer's
unargued claims about Zelda Fitzgerald were, and that he seemed unaware
of this scholarship, and I said that anyone who read Scott Fitzgerald's
letters could see that any woman who was treated with that degree of
infantilizing
and contemptuous treatment, it would be amazing if she didn't feel
despair.
"And
if you
knew that your husband was stealing your work, and being acclaimed for
it, it's not surprising you would alternate between depression and
elation.
If you knew you had to choose between your own integrity and protecting
your husband by not exposing his dishonesty, that would be enough to
make
any woman feel crazy. But to call her crazy is victim-blaming, and a
cover-up
of our knowledge of the great range of causes of emotional pain."
This
is, Dr.
Caplan says, an example of "a woman who's very talented and very
sensitive
and creative, and I thought it was sort of miraculous she had periods
where
she could struggle up from under, and be cheerful and loving, and do
some
more writing or practice her dancing. That's a real tribute to her. Why
do we have to call it 'the elation of mania'? People do get in creative
spurts where they don't want to sleep."
There
are other
psychiatric labels and diagnoses that may be misused with respect to
gifted
women, Dr. Caplan finds.
"'Hysterical'
is a big one, and 'borderline' because any woman who is very emotional
and doesn't give the therapist what he wants - if it's a guy - is in
danger
of being diagnosed as histrionic or hysterical. I remember a friend of
mine who said something about my being very dramatic, and I thought she
meant histrionic, and I was devastated, but she said no, what she meant
was when I tell a story she could really picture what was going
on.
"This
whole
diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder is made up anyway, and is
usually applied to someone who had been terribly abused. The
description
is 'someone who alternates between being very distant and wanting to be
very close; between being very emotional and emotionally flat, and
seeing
everything in black and white terms, seeing any person at any given
time
as all good or all evil.'
"But,
you know,
people may think in metaphors, or have very vivid images, or get very
emotional
when engaged in their work, and might get drained and go emotionally
flat
afterward. When I'm finished with a play that I'm acting in, there's a
period of flatness - after giving and giving and giving, a feeling of
being
depleted.
"And
also, the
structure you've been used to for all those weeks is gone. I mean,
there
are all kinds of non-pathological reasons for any person to be showing
what are then called the symptoms of 'borderline personality'.
"One
of the
members on the Psychology of Women Resource List [an email discussion
newsletter],
Cynthia Veldhuis gave a psychology class of hers [in the Dept. of
Psychology,
University of Oregon] a checklist of symptoms for different disorders,
and 75% of the students fit the criteria for having Borderline
Personality
Disorder, and guess what - 100% of the men fit the criteria for
Premenstrual
Dysphoric Disorder!
"The
current
DSM4 [the latest edition] has 374 categories of alleged mental
disorder,
including things like 'Stuttering', and 'Caffeine-induced Sleep
Disorder',
and 'Major Depressive Disorder' - if someone close to you died two
weeks
ago and you're still grieving. In other words, every conceivable form
of
human behavior is in there; 'Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder': if you
don't have as much sexual activity, or as many sexual fantasies as your
therapist thinks you should, then you have that."
With
such a
large number of categories, she points out, anybody "who walks into a
therapist's
office is going to fit probably a very large number of those
descriptions.
And this is all the more true because so many of the criteria for these
labels use terms like 'marked' or 'deficient', so there's this huge
scope
for subjectivity on the part of therapists.
"If
you want
to know if there's something wrong with you - let's try not to use
words
like 'mental disorder' - what I think is the single most helpful thing
to do is to write down your story, write down what you think is 'crazy'
and why you're feeling that or doing that; then, instead of putting in
your name, use the name of your mother, your sister, daughter, best
friend
etc.
"And
then ask yourself, 'Well, if she did that - if her boyfriend
did
X to her, and she was so upset, and to deal with it she decided to
write
it all down, and stayed up til four in the morning' - or whatever the
story
is, would you think 'This woman is crazy, we've got to get her to a
therapist,
get her on medication'? Probably not.
"Women
especially
are taught to pathologize ourselves, to undervalue ourselves, to think
there's something wrong with us. Men are to some extent as well, but in
a somewhat different way.
"Women
who are
survivors of sexual abuse, for example, all think it's their fault,
that
there's something wrong with them. But in a group with others, hearing
everyone else's stories, they say, 'Well she's not crazy, and she
didn't
bring it on herself.' After hearing ten of these, they have this
'click'
experience, and think "Maybe I'm not crazy.'
"In
my own experience,
and I wouldn't describe myself as gifted, but just as a woman - and I
think
this applies to women in general - every time I think there's something
weird about my feelings or my experience, every time I've thought that,
from the time I was an adolescent, whenever I've checked it out with
someone
else, it turned out it was not weird and not unusual.
"I
went from
assuming my feelings were weird to assuming they weren't so weird, to
realizing
that if I had a feeling, not only is it not weird, but probably it's
universal."
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book:
Paula
J. Caplan, Ph.D. They
Say You're Crazy: How the World's Most Powerful Psychiatrists
Decide
Who's Normal
for
Caplan's
video: "Call Me Crazy" contact Call Me Crazy Videos, 95 Slater Ave.,
Providence,
RI 02906, or e-mail Paula J. Caplan, Ph.D.:
Paula.Caplan@post.harvard.edu
See
her site www.psychdiagnosis.net
about psychiatric labeling and the problems with it.
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