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We always think that you have to stand by your man, but women who do
that usually end up sacrificing everything about themselves. Frida
Kahlo stood by her man all the way, but she never stopped being who she
was.
Salma
Hayek [Hispanic
Magazine, Oct 2002 - posted on hayekheaven.net] - she portrayed Frida
Kahlo in the film "Frida"
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Relationships
for gifted / talented people
"Gifted children and
adults often try to repress the real needs of the Self in order to
maintain connections with others (Lovecky, 1993). They feel they must
choose between loneliness and the negation of the Self."
> From article Different
Worlds at the Extremes - by Linda Kreger Silverman, Ph.D., Gifted
Development Center [reference:
Deirdre Lovecky (1993). Creative connections: Perspectives on female
giftedness]
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"Another issue
related to being exceptional may be social isolation: true peer
relationships are rare and demanding. Hypersensitivity to destructive
influences from others may demand protective isolation, even from
family members. "
> From article: Gifted
Women: Identity and Expression by Douglas Eby
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"Most people don't know that what is considered normal for the gifted
is
most often labeled as neurosis in the general population and as a
result, the gifted are personally and emotionally vulnerable to a
variety of unique relationship difficulties at home, work, school and
in the community."
> From article Misdiagnosis
of the Gifted by Lynne Azpeitia and Mary Rocamora
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Child of
the
wilderness
Born into
emptiness Learn to
be lonely
Learn to
find your way in darkness
Who will
be there for you
comfort
and care for you
Learn to
be lonely
Learn to
be your one companion
Ever
dreamed out in the world
There are
arms to hold you?
You've
always known
Your
heart was on its own
So laugh
in your loneliness
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Child
of
the wilderness
Learn to
be lonely
Learn
how
to love life that is lived alone
Learn
to
be lonely
life
can
be lived
life
can
be loved
Alone.
Learn to Be
Lonely - from
Phantom Of The Opera soundtrack
- Music by Andrew Lloyd Webber; Lyric
by
Charles Hart
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photo: Gerard
Butler, Emmy
Rossum in the movie
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related page: solitude |
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Closer
(1004)
directed by Mike Nichols
Anna: I don't want trouble.
Dan: I'm not trouble.
Anna: You're taken.
Dan: I've got to see you.
Anna: Tough.
Dan: You... KISSED me!
Anna: What are you - TWELVE?
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Larry: You think because you don't
love us, or desire us, or even like us, you think you've won.
Alice: It's not a war.
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Alice: Lying is the most fun a girl can have without taking her clothes
off, but it's more fun if you do.
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Anna (Julia
Roberts) is a photographer who specializes in portraits of strangers;
Dan (Jude Law) is an obituary writer struggling to become a novelist;
Alice (Natalie Portman) is an American stripper freshly arrived in
London after a bad relationship; and Larry (Clive Owen) is a
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Scarlett Johansson: I don't think
human beings are monogamous by nature. It's difficult - you have to put
a lot of effort into a relationship. I think it's hard for actors to
date each other because they are so damn moody. You are away from
people constantly and having a relationship that is strictly by phone,
it is miserable.
Or if you say to him/her, “Hey, (even though) I am doing a very sexy
scene with this very sexy girl/boy, I love you and I'm going to be
thinking of you when I am rolling around in bed with this
person!" [imdb.com 23
Dec 2005]
[photo:
with Jonathan Rhys-Meyers in "Match Point"]
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Carol Gilligan on The Birth of Pleasure
One
of
the questions that led me to write this book [The Birth of Pleasure] is
why is it so hard to resist a tragic love story, or to put it
differently,
why are we so drawn to tragic stories of love, where pleasure is Act I
in a play that ends badly?
I found
myself asking what is so dangerous about pleasure and what stake do we
have in the tragic ending?
These
questions took me into a history of loss and separation that I saw
playing
itself out among the young boys and the adolescent girls in my studies.
They
would come to a place where loss seemed inescapable, where it seemed
impossible
for them to stay open and present in their relationships.
I observed
boys around the ages of four and five beginning to cover their emotions
and girls at adolescence beginning not to say what they were really
thinking
and feeling.
I have
always been grateful to the woman in one of my early studies who asked
me: "Do you want to know what I think, or do you want to know what I
really
think?"
If
the only way we can maintain relationships is by not showing what we
are
feeling or not saying what we are really thinking, then we end up
giving
up relationship for the sake of having relationships.
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The
absurdity of this, when you think about it, is countered by the fact
that
we often accept it as inevitable. And I think this is one reason why
many
people are unhappy in love, because what is said to be love often feels
like constraint. ///
Many
constraints on relationships between men and women are being lifted as
more women gain economic independence and more men realize the costs of
adhering to traditional norms of masculinity.
What
comes next for relationships between men and women?
If
we don't turn back from the changes initiated by the liberation
movements
of the mid-twentieth century, what comes next is the birth of pleasure.
This
is where the future lies. But it is important to say that by pleasure I
don't mean titillation or hedonism as it's commonly understood; I mean
our capacity for delight, for joy.
Once
feminism is understood not as a battle between the sexes but a move to
free both women and men from constraints that have limited their
capacity
to love and live fully, it becomes clear that feminism is one of the
great
liberation movements in human history.
Carol
Gilligan -
from Random House interview
books
by Carol Gilligan :
The
Birth of Pleasure
In
a Different Voice
Meeting
at the Crossroads
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People
who don't understand or respect uniqueness
The
problem is that many of us grew up with unique gifts, all the while
surrounded
by people who were either jealous of them, didn't understand them, or
were
threatened by them.
We
may still even have Mom or Dad's speech in our heads, decrying our
decision
to become an artist, a coach, or an entrepreneur. ("Think of your
FUTURE!
You're throwing away a perfectly good career!")
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We
may be afraid our dreams will die if we expose them to a family we
still
care very much about.
If
that's the case, take heart. Your holiday visit doesn't have to be a
slash
and burn party at your expense; in fact, you can even use it to feed
your
dreams.
from
article : Creative Juice
- page 2
by Suzanne Falter-Barns /
Lesson
Twelve: Protecting Your Dream at Dysfunctional Family
Get-Togethers
photo
from movie The Royal Tenenbaums
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In
this
season of romance, as we pledge our undying devotion to our partners,
it
might be wise to acknowledge the flashes of vile, indefensible hatred
we
occasionally feel toward them.
Oh,
don't look so shocked. If you've been in a relationship for more than
six
months, you've had those moments.
We
all have. Acknowledging them while they're still small can help us deal
with them responsibly.
Denying
their existence allows them to grow until they overwhelm our social
niceties,
turning us into various manifestations of the Incredible Hulk.
Speaking
of media images, consider the convict in Chicago who got so sick of her
husban's gum-popping that she fired "two warning shots... into his
head."
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Think
of Meryl Streep's deceased character in Death Becomes Her, turning to
Bruce
Willis and hissing, "Do you have to breathe?' Do you want to reach that
point? If not, read on...
Martha
Beck in "Every Little
Thing He Does Is Stupid"
Feb
2004 issue of O, The Oprah Magazine.[page]
photo
of Beck from Thisisawar.com bio
Martha
Beck, PhD is author of
Finding
Your Own North Star
and The
Joy Diet : 10 Daily
Practices
for a Happier Life
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*related
pages:....intensity
/ sensitivity........social
reactions / interactions.......
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Catherine
Willows [Marg
Helgenberger]
: You're right, you know. I should be just like you. Alone in my
hermetically
sealed condo, watching Discovery on the big screen, working
genius-level
crossword puzzles. But no relationships, no chance any will slop over
into
a case. Yeah, right. I want to be just like you.
Gil
Grissom [William L.
Petersen] :
Technically it's a townhouse. And the crosswords are advanced, not
genius.
But you're right, I'm deficient in a lot of ways. But I never screw up
one of my cases with personal stuff.
Catherine
Willows : Grissom... WHAT personal stuff?
"CSI:
Crime Scene
Investigation"
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Jones: Resolution #1: uggg - will obviously lose 20 lbs.
#2:
always put last night's panties in the laundry basket. Equally
important:
will find nice sensible boyfriend and stop forming romantic attachments
to any of the following: alcoholics, workoholics, sexaholics,
commitment-phobics,
peeping toms, megalomaniacs, emotional f*ckwits, or perverts.
Will
especially stop fantasizing about a particular person who embodies all
these things.
Bridget
Jones's Diary dvd...book
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David
Mirkin is a director ("Heartbreakers," "The Larry Sanders Show") and a
writer on "The Simpsons."
When
Garry Shandling invited him to a political gathering at Fisher's house
seven years ago, one reason he went was because he had "always adored
Carrie
from afar."
A quiet
person, especially in a crowd, Mirkin didn't say much. At the end of
the
evening, Fisher looked at him and asked, "Do you want to be my
boyfriend?"
"Yeah,
absolutely," he replied. "Let's be together for the rest of our lives."
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She
eyed him for a moment, then said with mock solemnity, "Yes. We are of
the
same tribe."
They
didn't become romantically involved, but in Fisher's world, fellow
tribesmen
are as precious as lovers.
"Much
as I might like to have a companion," she says, "I don't know if it's
worth
it. I may be one of the people who can't do that stuff. We can't all
partner.
"I
still give my friends relationship advice, of course, and I'm not bad
at
it. 'Anyone's crisis but mine' is my motto."
She
and Bryan Lourd [father of Fisher's 11-year-old daughter], whom she
credits
as a wonderful father, are friendly co-parents.
from
Carrie Fisher takes reality for a spin -
by
Mimi Avins, LA Times
Jan 25 2004
photo
from carriefisher.com
....The
Best Awful - by Carrie Fisher
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I
suppose my capacity to love is that extreme, too, where I actually go,
"I want to be in love with someone in a way that they do outwigh
everything
else."
That's
what I want. I find that romantic and beautiful and compelling, and
when
it happens it becomes the all-encompassing part of my life. Which is
what
I had, and which is what I don't have now.
So
that feeling has flip-flopped into films and characters, and these
different
people I play become the loves of my life.
Nicole
Kidman...
[Interview, Oct 2003]
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To
be
profoundly satisfying, relationships require wisdom, sincerity,
honesty,
reflection, forbearance, self-control, patience, and time. ...
But
they also involve risks.
SLHPPs
[Self-Limiting High Potential Persons] are often at the center of a
lively
discussion at a party and are likeable and often well-liked.
But
they often have few truly profound friendships because they prefer to
avoid
hassles and exposure to rejection.
Some
SLHPPs reduce risks of rejection by never inviting and always waiting
to
be invited. Eventually, people drop away.
Intimate
relationships require even more work, and if you skip over learning the
skills that relationships demand, the complexities can overwhelm you.
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In
addition to realists and romantics, all of the following subtypes
diminish
their involvement with another person by avoiding the work necessary to
achieve a truly satisfying relationship.
You
will see obvious similarities to styles of approaching career-related
work.
Relationship
Coasters : avoid not
only needless struggles
but also necessary ones....
One-Track
Lovers : reduce
personal involvement and ease
eventual separations by exclusively seeking intense sexual involvements
that involve little personal attraction....
Hiders
: avoid intimate relationships with a pretext such as a dependent
child....
Role
Players : develop
mildly unpleasant personas,
such as sexual athlete, unbearable macho, radical angry woman, or
victim,
to deter others from coming too close...
more
styles in the book :
....Your
Own Worst Enemy: Breaking the Habit
of
Adult Underachievement -
by
Kenneth W. Christian, PhD
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| Djimon
Hounsou : The odds were
so far against me,
you know? I mean, you come to America, here you are, you don't speak a
word of the language... And not only that, you're trying... to sort of
be active and be productive in the language.
Also,
that was part of the reason why I sort of kept quiet from most of my
friends
what I wanted to do at the time [to be an actor].
I mean,
my friends would have discouraged me from going in that direction. And
I totally understand that. That's some of the reasons why I kept my
mouth
shut for a long time.
Tavis
Smiley : That's good
advice, though. You can't
share your dreams with just everybody.
Djimon
Hounsou : No, you can't
share your dreams
with everybody. The first people to discourage you from your dreams are
either your family members or your friends, you know, the closest
people
to you.
So...unless
you have a clear understanding of what you want to do in life, you
should
just keep it to yourself.
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Tavis
Smiley : On the flip
side, my minister, Noel
Jones, says to me all the time that if people haven't laughed at your
dreams,
then your dreams ain't big enough yet.
Djimon
Hounsou : Probably
true. Yes.
Tavis
Smiley Show [PBS] [site]
Jan 12 2004
photo:
imdb.com/Wireimage
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Most of
the times I've dated people who are extremely artistic but maybe not
great
partners. One of you ends up kind of losing yourself -- and it's
usually
me.
I rewrite
the story of who I am for somebody else.
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If
you're somebody that caretakes, you wind up making them your job. I've
definitely done that a lot. I've chosen people that I police or mother.
...
I've
made a pact with myself that even if I'm crazy about a person, I'm not
going to allow myself to spend years in a relationship that isn't going
the same direction I want to be going in.
Sheryl
Crow
from
article Why Success Isn't Enough For Sheryl Crow -
by
Deborah Baer, Lifetime, Nov 2003
photo
from sherylcrow.com
bio: Sheryl
Crow: No Fool to This Game
CD: The
Very Best of Sheryl Crow
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We
need
to reconstruct our images of and metaphors for respect.
The
old views of respect that emphasize hierarchy, approbation, and
obedience,
based on habit, ritual, or law, then to lead to relationships that are
static asymmetric, and constraining.
People
become stuck in their roles of power or impotence, responsibility or
irresponsibility,
and are neither challenged nor inspired to try on other personas or
develop
new ways of being.
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Respect
that is symmetric and dynamic, on the other hand, supports growth and
change,
encourages communication and authenticity, and allows generosity and
empathy
to flow in two directions.
The
image is one of a circle, not a triangle or pyramid. From this new
perspective,
differences in power, strength and expertise may remain but the respect
creates a relational and generative symmetry.
Sara
Lawrence-Lightfoot
Coalition
of Essential Schools, Fall Forum 2001,
Opening
Remarks
....Respect:
An
Exploration -
........by
Sara Lawrence-Lightfoot
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pages:....collaboration........leadership.......
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Kaufman,
PhD, and psychologist John Baer, PhD theorize that creative people --
specifically,
eminent female poets -- may be more prone to mental illness if they are
more vulnerable to extrinsic motivational constraints, such as
interpersonal
relationships.
from article
The 'Sylvia Plath' effect - by Deborah Smith Bailey,
APA
Monitor on Psychology, November 2003
...image
from cover of an edition of The
Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath
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Women
today are dealing with both their independence and also the fact that
their
lives are built around finding and satisfying the romantic models we
grew
up with.
The
story ["In the Cut"] gave us an opportunity to see how that model falls
short for us, and creates enormous amounts of grief. Women often
postpone
their lives, thinking that if they're not with a partner then it
doesn't
really count. They're still searching for their prince, in a
way.
And
as much as we don't discuss that, because it's too embarrassing and too
sad, I think it really does exist.
Jane
Campion
- from In The Cut - BBC interview
by Stephen Applebaum
....books: In
the Cut -- by Susanna Moore
/ Jane
Campion: Interviews
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By
the
luck of race, class, money, and health, I could manage the
double-tightrope
trick [being an artist and mother] -- and especially by the support of
my partner. .... |
If
I needed help he gave it without making it into a big favor, and --
this
is the central fact -- he did not ever begrudge me the time I spent
writing,
or the blessing of my work. ...
Any
artist must expect to work amid the total, rational indifference of
everybody
else to their work, for years, perhaps for life: but no artist can work
well against daily, personal, vengeful resistance.
And
that's exactly what many women artists get from the people they love
and
live with.
Ursula
K. Le Guin
....from Creators
on Creating : Awakening and Cultivating the
Imaginative Mind, by Frank X. Barron
Ursula
Le Guin books
/ site
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"Love
has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get - only what you
are
expecting to give - which is everything. What you will receive in
return
varies. But it really has no connection with what you give. You give
because
you love and cannot help giving." Katharine
Hepburn
Hepburn's
on-screen chemistry with Spencer Tracy in 1941 sparked a love
affair
which
lasted until his death in 1967. ...
[news.bbc.co.uk]
...Me
: Stories of My Life -- by Katharine Hepburn
// Kate
Remembered - by Scott A. Berg
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Perceptiveness
and empathic connections can be women's most potent gifts, yet, as with
all great gifts, there is increased vulnerability.
Thus,
the problem of empathic connection os of particular concern for highly
perceptive girls and women (Lovecky, 1990, 1992). ...
In
fact, one of the problems for women with an exceptional degree of
perceptiveness
is that they experience a deep sense of being different from others --
including most other women -- in their moral and social concepts, in
how
they view truth and justice, and in how they can foresee the ulitimate
consequences of particular trends of both individual and community
behavior.
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Because
true peers are so rare, the highly perceptive woman finds herself in
many
relationships in which she has to erect a false face that hides how
different
she really is.
Consequently,
the highly gifted woman may, in fact, feel inauthentic in her
relationships.
Miller
(1986) suggests that increasing authenticity is the goal of women's
relationships,
but it can only be obtained when the two participants feel equal.
Deirdre
Lovecky-
in
"Creative Connections: Perspectives on Female Giftedness", Mensa
Research
Journal, Spring 1996
Lovecky,
D (1992), Roeper Review article:
Exploring Social
and
Emotional Aspects of Giftedness in Children
Miller,
JB (1986). Toward
a New Psychology of Women
photo
from scene in the film based on book
Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood by Rebecca Wells
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In many
of the interviews conducted with both older and younger gifted
females,
they
described
their feelings of loneliness and betrayal by other women.
When
asked about
friendships, a successful college president replied simply,
"I
have none."
Some
of the
reasons that many talented women have few friends and are often lonely
revolve
around
the extremely limited amount of time they have for friendships and
the
ambivalence
of other women to talented women who achieve at high levels.
from
article: Internal barriers,
personal issues, and decisions
faced
by gifted and talented
females, by Sally M. Reis
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